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Postby Zearthus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:19 pm

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Subject title: How to tackle learning

After sleeping on this idea, I decided to come up with my own ideas regarding to how to tackle learning. I feel the reason most peoples feel daunting at start with the complexity of things to learn, is due of how theoretical thinking we're. We never learned how to learn, nor know how to create some sort schedule in school during learning phase. So since childhood you get ingrained to do certain things all the way to adult, to the point where you become a machine.



SUBJECTS THERE IS TO LEARN:
- Composition
- Anatomy
- Perspective
- Color Theory
- Light and Shadow


WAYS TO GO ABOUT LEARNING THE SUBJECTS:


VIDEOS
Proko (Anatomy), svslearn(General), Schoolism(General), Ctrlpaint (Digital Painting), Cgcookie (Digital Painting), New Master Academy (Traditional), Gumroad Tutorials(General), Sycra (General)

BOOKS
Loomis(General), Bridgeman (Anatomy), Villpu (Anatomy), Hampton (Anatomy), Ernest Norling (Perspective), Molly Bang(Composition), Color and Light (Color Theory)


COURSES
Watts Atelier Online Program (General), Robot Pencil Mentor Program(General)


In the beginning is best to start a drawing habit, check out these video for more info about it:
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/the-drawing-habit
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/being-a-beginner



1. ARE YOU HAVING FUN?


IF you're not having fun, the process will just seems like a chore. So I believe its best to experiment with each subject, and pick the one you want to learn the most, you begin with that. After you choose what you want to learn,  you break the complexity to bare minimum. For example, you want to learn anatomy, start with the head, or the torso etc. Be simple about it, don't pick the whole body at first.



2. DELIBERATE PRACTICE


What is deliberate practice? It's practicing something specific which you want to improve on.

More about it from this article:
http://jamesclear.com/deliberate-practice-strategy

While doing deliberate practice, take notes along the side. The power of taking notes helps to remember the information better, and you can always go back to your own notes when you get stuck. 



3A. WHAT IS A ROUTINE? 


A sequence of actions regularly followed; a fixed program. Think of it as repeated practice you do on instruments to get good. For example if you're learning guitar, and you're a beginner, your routine would be how to tune the guitar.

For drawing that would be a repetition of some particular exercises, such as still life drawing, outdoor sketching etc.



3B. WHAT IS A SCHEDULE? 


A plan for carrying out a process or procedure, giving lists of intended events and times.

Schedule really boils to the amount of time you have available. The hardest part of it, is of course sticking to it. So don't be too ambitious about it. One article that can help you out setting out your schedule:

http://artfus.blogspot.com/2012/06/deve ... r-art.html
This is a process of trial and error. So experiment see what works for you.


4. MAKE TIME FOR YOUR IMAGINATION


If you're never going to apply what you learn, then whats the point of learning it? Besides, by drawing it from your imagination you will learn what you still need to practice/improve on



5. KNOW YOUR LIMITS


There is no need to push yourself to do 12 hours a day of draw, know your body limits seriously. Listen to what it tells you. If you gonna ignore it, thou shall pay its debts later. What do I mean by that? Eventually your body will break down, listen to the stories of artists whom drew for 12 hours to 16 hours a day, they all one way or the other inflamed/damage their arms and advised not to do what they did. This is by no means to scare you away from practicing art, rather I want you to be mindful of your own limits.






Based off of what I said, currently this is the way I will be tackling this. I choose the subject I want to learn/interested in, which in this case is Perspective at the moment. I find one or two sources regarding to the chosen subject, for example Ernest Norling, study the book, take notes, apply what I learned later in the day or by the end of each week. This will be a set routine that I do on a consistent basis, I use set routines and weekly themes to stick to for learning.

(Think of it as the same way you learn an instrument, you have a deliberate session of practicing chords, take a long break, after few hours come back, practice what you learned, see where you're still off and needs fixes)

So its a process of Copy/Study/Take Notes then apply.  I do this by drawing from imagination or my own personal work by the end of each week/day depending on the subject. Everything is object to change, as I continue to venture along the way. Feel free to share your own ideas that worked for you.




ADDITIONAL LINKS
http://doodlealley.com/2011/10/19/brick-by-brick/
http://animationresources.org/theory-bi ... -teaching/
https://sivers.org/mindset (Fixed vs Growth Mindset)
http://doodlealley.com/2013/05/01/diversify-your-study/
http://doodlealley.com/2012/11/21/pract ... e-perfect/
http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-6619.html (Same discussion on crimsondagger)




PS: This is just my thoughts I came to, after reading other peoples insights regarding to this matter, and asking peoples on other places. So they're not set in stone, and a must follow thing, more of general guidelines for what to look for if you feel stuck/overwhelmed.
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Postby Alphawolfin » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:48 pm

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I wanna cut on some general psychological aspects affecting my drawing habits for good.
Learned them the hard way.

-Do not compare urself with other artist decreasing your own value (I never gonna be like him or her... you can´t be like any other! Only you can be you and nobody can play your role better than u !).
-Set up a curriculum with reachable goal.
-When an art block occurs do a total different task until u miss drawing
-Hangout with other artist and share knowlegde.
-let urself being inspired by art watching ur rolemodels doing their thing. (Tyler edin, sycra,in pusuit of art, jazza, art of wei, alphonso dunn, carla ortiz and other cool artist u know)
- draw stuff u like when u feel like ....**** and down seek ur comfortzone when ur ego is hurt or look at sth funny on youtube or video to get up.
-Try out a new medium to refresh ur skills there is watercolor pencil airbrushing, pastell, ink etc. more to discover

so nothing for me to add to this topic i think. Hope it helped someone
3. Semester now specialise on your strenght... but on what if there are so many? I guess it´s illustration for now.

 

Postby Vixie » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:03 pm

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Thank you both for writing this, it was inspiring and helpful (for both, motivation and learning sources). What holds me back the most is the amount of knowledge that is in front of me and i feel like one person would need hundreds of lives to acquire it all. Good schedule and realistic goals could probably solve lot of troubles, but i tak nd to jump from one subject to another because when i spend too much time on one subject, i feel like i will never get to other things i want to learn.

That leads me to a question: is there somebody who has schedule that worked for you? Where did you start, through which subjects did you progress? How did you managed it to smaller chunks, so it didn't feel so overwhelming?
Hello. How are you? Have a nice Day. I'm socially awkward, sorry.
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Postby Zearthus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:57 pm

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@ALPHAWOLFIN
Two things I want to clarify, comparison can be good depending how the person uses it. Like he/she can compare a finished piece after they're done, to notice what area can be worked on in order to improve. That's a healthy way to do it, but the unhealthy one is of course, when you're comparing the amount of work you put, how slow you are and all of that compare to someone who has been doing it for years. So in a way, it boils down to how peoples use the skill comparison.



A video that kind of explains what I mean is:
http://brendonburchard.tumblr.com/post/ ... -to-others



Hanging out with other artists is great, but at the same time, depending on the environment in the hangout, it can become more of a "lets play playground" kind of room, then lets get together, work on something and continue progressing. So my standing for hangout is in the middle depending who I'm hanging out with. Because I'm truly, truly a person that believes there is time for seriousness/fun. If there is no balance, things will go haywire.


@VIXIE
I don't really use schedules, because they tend to be too fixed. And a schedule should be created on your own. Because we all different way of using schedules. So experiment with it, be realistic as well. Put down how many hours you can actually study before you get tired of it. If you're looking for a realistic example:

http://artfus.blogspot.com/2012/06/deve ... r-art.html


In regards to where you start, as I mentioned in the post. Choose on subject you're interested in learning right now, it doesn't matter which subject you start learning. What matters, is for you to start exploring one. IF you never start with one, you will never know what it feels like, and that's one crucial thing I learned during my month off of Sycra forum. As a learner, you have to explore. Adventure into the subjects.

For example, if you're interested in learning perspective. Pick one book, again said it in the article. Choose one source, I mean really, only one source. Stick with it until your understand it. Dissect it. Take notes. Copy. Try applying the information on still life objects, drawing from reference and so on. Sometimes, this is what I really agree with which is what bobby chiu said is: "You just have to make a decision, and shut your brain off" because we're build in a way where our mind just doesn't work well with what we want to do. So you have to stick with a decision when you made one.

So to brings things into smaller manageable task:
Pick one source only, and learn from that. Try not too delve into too many source. If not, you're bound to be overwhelmed.
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Postby Zearthus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:09 pm

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As for everyone else whom is reading this, please take the time to read the post. Not trying to sound like a jerk,but peoples have to re-read the whole post, to understand if the question they're about to ask, has already been answered. So take your time. Thanks.
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Postby Zearthus » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:27 pm

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I have found a really, but really great article in regards to learning, while you're at it, check his other articles:
http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/six-si ... g-projects
BEHANCE: https://www.behance.net/brian-hermelijn
SKETCHBOOK: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8158&hilit=Zearthus&start=540

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Postby Unknown001 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:05 pm

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Thank you soooo much. I was trying to learn anatomy and proportion, but after some time i got frustrated cuz i didnt manage what i expected even tho i knew proportion by hearth. I just needed to break it down to pieces and study each section of the body on its own and then bring them all together.

Im gratefull to you. :)
No excuses, you are where you are because of you and nobody else. Just stop coming up with excuses, get up and start running or time will leave you behind.

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Postby Moe » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:02 am

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Interesting post.

I've been drawing for 3 years now and I haven't really followed any specific routine or program. I didn't really practice my foundations, I didn't draw from imagination, I didn't draw regularly( maybe 2-3 a week and sometimes I would take months off), I skipped around a lot( one day I will do color, next day animals, next day trees, etc) and as a result I haven't really developed my skills much. I've seen guys like Sinix and Hotaruarc who would make great leaps within a year and that got me thinking about a 2 things. One thing was talent and the other thing was deliberate practice. I can't control talent so I didn't bother worry about it. So, this summer I started from the basics with the most important fundamental which I believe to be gesture. I also started incorporating imagination drawing. When I first started drawing from imagination, I was only capable of doing like stick figures but overtime I was able to draw figures from imagination at the same level as I'm able to draw a figure in 1-2 minutes.

I've been able to make some minor improvement over the past 3 months of doing "deliberate practice". I don't know how effective this method is, or if it will help me achieve my goals in art but I plan to stick with it for at least 2 more years. This method of deliberate practice does have it's drawbacks because while you are focusing on a specific subskill and making relatively more progress on it you are neglecting other areas of art. There are also a lot of great artists who jump around a lot, and still make significant progress.


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