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Postby Peteman22 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:20 am

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Subject title: Peteman22's Sketchbook (Tiny Bit NSFW)

Hi everyone, been planning to make a sketchbook here for a while now. I've been following the Lessons at drawabox.com, started working on Lesson 11, focusing on the torso. Been drawing consistently-ish for 8-9 months. (Doodled occasionally when younger, finally decided to take it seriously, I'm 25.)

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I definitely mucked a couple of things up, the man's crotch, the woman's breasts. I've also drawn both of them too wide, in comparison to their reference images. But hey ho, practice is practice. Hopefully if I'm organised I can do one a day. 2 down 23 to go.

Everything else I've drawn is here http://peteman22.imgur.com/ if you feel like having a look.

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Postby Peteman22 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:17 pm

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Number 3

Still too wide, but much better looking than the boring forward facing ones. This is the first time I've drawn someone from the back and I quite enjoyed the challenge. Really don't know what to look for when it comes to how the muscles and bones affect the back, (or the front either really), I'm just marking where the shadows are.

But hey it's miles better off than when I started.

However if there is some where where I'm making mistakes or could do better please tell me!

Thanks for having a look.

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P.S Sorry for the crappy picture quality, unfortunately I have to take photo's with my phone's camera.
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Postby tiagoplaza » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:19 pm

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keep at it man! the second one is a marked improvement on the first two. you might want to check out george bridgman's complete guide to drawing from life if you still haven't. it's very helpful if you want to make your poses more dynamic.

 

Postby Peteman22 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:19 pm

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Thanks for the suggestion Tiagoplaza. Yeah Drawbox focuses more on proportions and constructing complicate shapes from simpler ones, he mentions gesture but doesn't require any homework towards it. It was something I was planning on working on after going through all the lessons. (I'm adamant that I'm going to be the first person to complete the entire thing.) Thanks for having a gander.

Today's offering is ...eh... a bit of a step backwards, I rushed it, so in they underlying structure didn't really match the reference (it kinda does and kinda doesn't), which in turn affected the placement of the muscles. It looks....stretched and squashed. Yesterday's looks much more solid. Oh well practice is practice. I may redo this one in the future.

Excuses, tomorrow no rushing.

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Postby Peteman22 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:34 am

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More torso mcnuggets.

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Anyone got any decent guides to back muscles? Though I may not be able to draw them accurately I have a rough idea of what's supposed to be there for the front muscles. For the front muscles eh not quite so much. Drawabox does have a rough shaded area guide but that doesn't seem that helpful too me, looking at all those bumps and dimples and not understanding whats going on underneath. There's also so many, so I'm not sure which ones I should focus on to better get the form across. Any ideas?

3 down 18 to go.I'm on holiday at the moment so I'm going to try and get all 25 finished within the week.
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Postby Peteman22 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:28 am

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Numbers 8,9 and 10! Including some more chubby people this time. Finding naked fat art figure references is surprisingly hard (by just google searching).

Number 9 is a bit "eeh." The odd the pose a bit more awkward than I'm used to and it's not a as easy to see where the ribcage ends and the hips begin, coz they're covered in y'know.

3 Down 15 to go.

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Toodles noodles.
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Postby Peteman22 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:11 pm

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And now for something completely different.

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I re-did the first guy after deciding he looked too stiff and doing some gesture drawing. The gesture's improved if a bit unbalanced, but oh god those sausage arms.
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Postby Peteman22 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:33 pm

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Those arms are really bad....

Anyway back to more regular fair- 2 hits and a miss.

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I really like no 12 and 13, finally back to the quality of number 3. 13 Down 12 to go.

Boobs are are hard to draw though. I know there supposed to be like water balloons and hang, but I keep seeming to make them look saggy, case in point No. 11. Any tips anyone?

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Postby NesoKaiyoH » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:37 pm

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Those arms aren't that bad, and I love the newest page. You have a pretty good sense of anatomy already, and form. Always trying to imagine drawing in form is better than drawing in line if that makes sense? xD
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Postby Peteman22 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:20 pm

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NesoKaiyoH wrote:Those arms aren't that bad, and I love the newest page. You have a pretty good sense of anatomy already, and form. Always trying to imagine drawing in form is better than drawing in line if that makes sense? xD


Thanks NesoKaiyoH. I was referring to the arms of the cartoon if that affects your opinion at all. :) I think I know what you mean, I draw the muscles in over a 3D form.The way Drawabox teaches figure drawing is quite formulaic. My "sense of anatomy" is, I think, is just me sticking the dimples I see over that form, I only have the vaguest idea of what the muscles are underneath. (Drawabox ha's mentioned he wants to re-write that section of the course - because he's not happy with it - seems to be working alright for me.)

I do feel like I'm sometimes having problems with well defined abs though, looking like their floating on top rather than part of the body. Drawbox gives a place to draw in guidelines. (From the crotch to both shoulders and the pit of the neck to both sides of the hips) http://drawabox.com/lesson/11 But even though I draw these in the allways seem to put the abs in the wrong place compared to the reference or make them too thin so I end up ignoring them and just looking at the reference.

Any suggestions ?

Anyway todays offering:

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Number 14 is an example of the "floaty abb" problem. It's much easier when the reference has a convenient amount of fat covering it up.
I do like number 15 though - (ironically the same reference model as 14 with a different pose) - had had some conveniently obvious muscle dimples.

16 down 9 more to go! We're getting there.
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Postby Peteman22 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:52 am

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3 more sacrifices for the altar of drawabox.com :twisted:
(I didn't draw at all yesterday don't tell him or he'll eat my soul.)

Only 19 down only 6 more to go! :D

Any feed back is a appreciated. I cacked up number 17 a bit, the proportions off and whatever is going on with those leg joins.


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Postby Peteman22 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:33 pm

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Today was very productive with a grand total of four! Only two more until the homework is complete. Yipeeee. And then another 25 focusing on arms and legs.... :|

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And I doodled this little guy to use as my avatar. I thought it be fun to "quickly" line art and color him in photoshop. Turns out I forgot I seem to have no pen control when it comes to drawing on a tablet. Resting my hand on the tablet gives me some control, but doing long straight lines and taking my hand off the tablet to do so is next to impossible. It something I will definitely be practicing in the the future,

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Toodles noodles.
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Postby Peteman22 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:42 am

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25 completed. Woot woot! Wubbalubba dub dub.

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Now to wait and see what Lord Drawabox says.
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Postby Greep3r » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:25 am

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very cool, these anatomy drawings looks great, keep going :)

 

Postby NesoKaiyoH » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:08 pm

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Some good sketches here, your anatomy is improving owo
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Postby Peteman22 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:33 pm

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Thank you guys. :D Nice to know my work is paying off.

Uncomfortable's a.k.a Mr Drawabox's critique was a I shouldn't have used a pen, as it loses the subtlety of pencil and that I should be building up the muscles as forms rather, rather than lifting the detail from the references. A tad difficult when I don't really know what forms are under neath the skin, so that's something to study.

He also told me he plans on revamping the anatomy lessons in a few months time, so instead of continuing on with those I shall start work on lesson 14, composition. Which means leaving a anatomy alone for a while and needing to get used to drawing and painting digitally sooner rather than later. Below is my first digital only drawing (still using a reference); the result of some hours of mucking around with brushes etc., mutilating a sock and watching a few ctrl paint videos. (Who needs to draw straight lines when you can "click shift click".)

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She's messy, but she's part of a dream made reality so I like her.
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Postby NesoKaiyoH » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:51 pm

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Hmm I personally like the pen but it may just be that the lineart is too clean in comparison to the sketch which is why that detail is lost. I work with pen as though it were a pencil, sketching with it the guidelines, and detail alike. Maybe instead of drawing in pencil and then pen over the top, you should try drawing in pen solely?
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Postby Xiphor » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:23 pm

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Looking good Pete! Your proportions are looking good.

 

Postby Koźlik » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:54 pm

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I like the last figure :)
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Postby Markus Creation » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:30 am

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I really like your doodled avatar! Really cool character.
If you want to get used to digital drawing and you are interested in learning more about how to draw people, you could try some lifedrawings at
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Postby Peteman22 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:42 pm

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Oooo so many comments., I should have started drawing digitally sooner. :D Thank you for your kind words.

NesoKaiyoH wrote:Hmm I personally like the pen but it may just be that the lineart is too clean in comparison to the sketch which is why that detail is lost. I work with pen as though it were a pencil, sketching with it the guidelines, and detail alike. Maybe instead of drawing in pencil and then pen over the top, you should try drawing in pen solely?


You are exactly right, I shouldn't have used the pen to go over the detail as a last pass. The "Basics" and "Dynamic Sketching" section of the course do all have to be done, as you do, construction lines and details all done in pen.

Markus Creation wrote:I really like your doodled avatar! Really cool character.
If you want to get used to digital drawing and you are interested in learning more about how to draw people, you could try some lifedrawings at
artists.pixelovely.com


Thank you, that's super useful, I've put it on my favourites tab. When I get back round to doing lessons 12 & 13 I'll definitely you use it.

That said, here's the start of the first half of the homework for lesson 14, composition. The point of the homework being to take a frame from a film and divide it into dark, medium and light,silhouettes to see how things fit together compositionally. Working digitally gotten easier, though it still feels weirdly "flowy", with less of the haptic feedback you'd get from paper, and getting long curved lines to go where I want is awkward as heck. But I suppose i'll get used to it eventually.

M'homework:

A couple sitting in a bath tub from Big FIsh.

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And Iron Man from .....Iron Man - technically I shouldn't have painted in his face mask, but it looks cool so ....

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Toodles Noodles

Edit: 2nd Page Yay!

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Postby Peteman22 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:32 pm

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MOAR!

(I actually did the MInas Tirith one yesterday...still needs work it's kinda messy.

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This one (above) looks the best and is my favourite so far...it took forever.

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Postby Kam » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:06 pm

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I'm surprised how far you got with the drawabox lessons, I didn't make it past 1 lol, anyway good job on that.
I saw you mentioned lack of line control on the tablet and I think that has to do with both lack of using it as much as traditional and maybe the settings? make sure the tablet is set to your screen ratio, you can check out ctrlpaint.com for learning how to use digital tools, it's the best source on that since it has everything in perfect order, since I didn't know it exists when I started I mostly learned by experimenting and watching timelapse videos on Youtube. also you can try those hand control exercises with the tablet to get a better feel for it.

Also for inking I think the problem is that since the lines are black they might be too black for some areas, you can try using a ballpoint pen since you have control over that aspect with those, I think it helps to see lineart as the really dark shadows (occlusion shadows) and difference in contrast which is basically separating elements.

 

Postby Peteman22 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:16 am

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Thanks Kam. :D

Yeh, the exercises can be tedious at times. But when I saw that no one had submitted homework for lessons 14 and 15, I told myself I was going to be the first person to finish the whole thing. (One of the benefits, I think, of learning to draw later than younger is being more able to do the repetitive practice required to improve faster. )

Yeah I've watched a couple of Ctrlpaint videos and they've definitely been helpful. I think I'm going to need them for the second part of lesson 14, which is painting ten thumbnails, and I've never done anything like that before so it should be interesting.

Here's the rest of the silhouettes:


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This ones my second favourite, after the beach.


I feel slightly guilty. When looking for films to silhouette I purposefully looked for ones where the back, middle and foreground division was fairly obvious and could be represented with large blocks of colour so I wouldn't have to fiddle around with things like windows and would thus be easier to paint. But the focus is on composition rather than painting detail so hopefully that's okay.

Time to binge watch the Ctrlpaint videos in preparation for tomorrow.
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Postby Fawkes » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:26 pm

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I like how I can see both the outer and inner structure in your figure drawings, the bold lines define the body while the guidelines remain clear- like a transparent shell. Very useful to study from, I might try this sometime. ^^

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