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Postby nunbul » Tue May 26, 2015 4:21 pm

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Hello dear artists,

I think I am finally able to post my work and communicate with people in the world of art. I will consider this to be my main thread, if possible.
Note: I'll be wrapping my post in [spoilers] because it gets too long... sorry :/ Also,many pics included. I'll be using imgur and links, not direct [img] code, hope that's no problem!

A few things about me:
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My name is Alex, I'm 23 years old from Greece. I graduated Economics University, which I can't even remember why I picked as a field of study.
I never liked it and my degree is not powerful at all. When I was in my 2~year of study, I started helping people in a gaming forum, creating icons for
their accounts (mostly trying to make them Web2.0-like, adding text, etc). I had no knowledge on it, yet I was enjoying this kind of work, and that's
how I met the "art and design" field. After 4 years, I can call myself a graphics designer (by using image manipulation tools, not drawing at all).

Economics wasn't my thing. Both before and after graduation, I had no idea on how I will be making a living, aka: "what I want to be when I grow up".
Finally, just a few months ago, I took the decision to ditch everything and pursue the path of art, most likely concept art. I was never the kid who was
darwing all the time during Secondary education. In fact, I didnt draw at all. I attended Music Highschool, therefore music was my main hobby.
Even my handwriting is TERRIBLE.

Try, Fail, Quit:
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In 2013, I was thinking about trying actual drawing. So I purchased a Wacom Bamboo Pen & Touch, being extremely ambitious.
I started following YouTube channels here and there, watching tutorials, getting motivated and such. Everything was incredibely unclear though...

So I tried to sketch, and then draw. No reference, no guide. Don't even think about colours or even values. I was just doing it. Results:
- Following a tutorial: http://i.imgur.com/3f9IJle.jpg
- Sketching a dragon from imagination: http://i.imgur.com/BUuD73X.jpg
- Attempt to draw from imagination: http://i.imgur.com/EcYOK4q.png (turned out that I was using more photoshop tools than drawing with my tablet...)

I can't say I was satisfied enough, and due to extreme pressure from university (since I was failing so hard) I just quit (in 2013).
I only did this in May 2014, a contest entry, using in-game reference, because a friend was pressuring me to participate for fun: http://i.imgur.com/e3UIaZC.png

So I quit, put my tablet somewhere and I forgot everything.

The present:
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After taking the decision to ditch everything and focus on art, I had to start from somewhere. I found out that, for me, Sycra had the best tutorials out there.
I 'invested' 2 days (about 12h each) in watching basic tutorials on Sycra's channel. On the 3rd day, I had to try something, ANYTHING.

A cyber-friend, that happened to be an artist himself, suggested me to draw this girl and test my value skills. http://i.imgur.com/ynOOkGa.jpg

Here we go! I claim that this is actually my very first drawing, period. It took me more than 6 hours.
The result: http://i.imgur.com/l6Iq613.jpg (I kinda traced the eyes but apparently it didn't matter in the end. I could do anything by using values).
I know it's anything close to perfect, butf or me, it's orgasmic. 6 years close to depression, and this made me feel so freaking good... and it still does!
I couldn't thank Sycra enough...

Some contests popped up and I took these as chances for practicing in a specific subject.
- from imagination: http://i.imgur.com/UG9hyp8.png (disgusting proportions, plus note that I avoided drawing any features (hands, feet, facial, etc)
- 1:1 reference (using Pose Tool app): http://i.imgur.com/AkBYM0d.png
- 1:1 reference (in-game models, extremely zoomed): http://i.imgur.com/M3WQtpr.png |
~ Final-coloured: http://i.imgur.com/ORayNsL.jpg (colour was just clip-multiply the reference layer)

Latest: Contest: Fight Scene with Ancient vs Futuristic | Diablo vs Nova (Blizzard)
1:1 reference (in-game models, extremely zoomed) - also first colouring attempt
Values and colouring: http://i.imgur.com/nnZfSNb.jpg (I also did a 2-day live-stream on 90% of that process).
Final Scene: http://i.imgur.com/QdH6421.png (I don't like it at all, struggled with the background a lot).

My point of view:
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I am able to observe and replicate most value details. With these "value studies" (as I call them) I am definately learning how depth and shapes work.
I think I'm slowly learning how specific features (like eyes, nose and lips) must be drawn in order to be potrayed properly, and without sketching them.

I sent an email to Sycra, waiting for no reply, trying to explain and transfer my appreciation for his videos, linking my first result (the girl with freckles).
I told him what I still believe: I can't sketch. In fact, even my lines are terrible. Line art? Who am I kidding? I can barely draw a straight line or a curve.

All of these "drawings" had a very rough sketch and messy, just to get the base silhouette, some outlines and correct proportions.
Most of the time I messed up with the layers, merged them and painted over them. I feel like I never needed line art.

What now?
My moto for now is "I don't know how to draw", and I seriously believe that. I can't really draw... I can just replicate what I see, mostly 1:1.
Unexpectedly, Sycra replied, telling me that "DRAWING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!" Yet I don't know what to draw.
Start sketching figures or basic features? Reference or imagination?

I am looking forward to your replies, critiques, opinions on anything. I need serious and constructive feedback from artists, because the average every-day
person tends to see everything as a masterpiece... So please, be harsh on me! I want to be good. I want to become a professional. I have serious ambitions
and that's what I want to do for a living.

That's all for now!
If you read all of this... I can't thank you enough!
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Postby L3V » Tue May 26, 2015 7:34 pm

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Cool stuffs, wrong section xd.

A mod will probably come along to move this thread to the sketchbook section.

 

Postby nunbul » Tue May 26, 2015 7:44 pm

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hmmm... Not really.. I took my time to decide where to post it, and this section was more suitable, since i seek for feedback, not to showoff my work... not yet! :D

Edit: Before I post this thread I wanted to post another one asking where should I post such a topic.
But I just want pure feedback, criticism and guidance. This is more like a journal, rather than a sketchbook...

But if the mods really believe this is in the wrong section, please, feel free to move it!

 

Postby sanguine » Tue May 26, 2015 8:25 pm

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I think this should be a sketchbook thread because the sketchbook section is also a place where critique is welcome and often given if the poster requests it! I really like your work, and next time post the images directly in your message so we don't have to open spoilers and click links! Welcome to the forums and I can't wait to see more stuff from you:)

 

Postby Ambiguity » Tue May 26, 2015 9:22 pm

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Finally got a chance to look this over, and I think the others are right about this belonging in the SB section, you can still get feedback/ critique in this section, it's just more general(which coincides with "I am looking forward to your replies, critiques, opinions on anything."). The critique section is really for more focused feed back on specific pieces.

Anyways, welcome to the forum nunbul, I hope you'll enjoy your stay here :).

 

Postby nunbul » Tue May 26, 2015 11:33 pm

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Ok, ok! Thanks for moving it and sorry for the incovenience...

I will might update the image links to direct images later.
Be sure to be harsh on me, please!

Any other comments to add?

Also; question: The critique section is for posting 1 single work/project?
(meaning that we should create multiple threads?)

 

Postby Ambiguity » Wed May 27, 2015 2:50 am

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nunbul wrote:Also; question: The critique section is for posting 1 single work/project?
(meaning that we should create multiple threads?)

Yeah, but put some effort into whatever you post there, some people post their rough sketches in there and it's hard for any of us to help them because there isn't much to go off of.

 

Postby Fergato » Wed May 27, 2015 1:49 pm

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Hey Alex, welcome to the forum!
It's agreat start, and, definetely you are good copying, that's a good way to learn how to draw.
Maybe you can do lineart instead of paint what you see, try to translate from paint to line.

One thing is for sure, and these are words to live by, for us, the artists, or wannabe artists like me, "The drawing will give you, as much as you give to it", what does it mean?
It means, if you don't put effort into become better at drawing you'll never be good at it, you have to practice a lot, and if you can draw, at least 15 minutes a day, whatever you want, do it.

So that being said, go and draw something!

PS.: There's plenty of channels on YouTube where you can learn basics of everything, Alphonso Dunn and Proko are great artists if you don't know them yet. I recommend you these two, assuming you're going after realism.
Our learning path never ends... Keep practicing.
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Postby nunbul » Wed May 27, 2015 5:03 pm

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Hey Fergato, thanks for the comments!

First of all, no, I am not going for realism... I prefer concept art, not illustration.
I know I have to draw a lot, everyday, and everything, but I don't know where to start...

-maybe basic human proportions / and start drawing different poses in simple shapes and silhouettes?
and after it gets more easy-going, move to anatomy and feature details?

I really don't know -_-

 

Postby Fergato » Wed May 27, 2015 5:22 pm

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I think you're aiming right, I can't really tell you where to head exactly, mainly because I don't do realism nor conceptual, I work more of a cartoony style. But, plenty of people here are inside that world you're about to enter.
So, in my opinion you're going right with that order, "basic human proportions / and start drawing different poses in simple shapes and silhouettes
and after it gets more easy-going, move to anatomy and feature details"
Our learning path never ends... Keep practicing.
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Postby Ambiguity » Wed May 27, 2015 6:07 pm

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nunbul wrote:First of all, no, I am not going for realism... I prefer concept art, not illustration.

Realism is highly valued in both jobs just FYI(actually you'll probably find more toon jobs in illustration than concept art unless you're concepting for mobile games).

 

Postby nunbul » Wed May 27, 2015 7:31 pm

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Ambiguity wrote:
nunbul wrote:First of all, no, I am not going for realism... I prefer concept art, not illustration.

Realism is highly valued in both jobs just FYI(actually you'll probably find more toon jobs in illustration than concept art unless you're concepting for mobile games).


heh, actually, deciding the final path (or profession or w.e) is a huge query for me...
I am not sure what is going on in the field, nor i have any clue how I will be able to make a living...

I don't mind testing any kind of style, and - for now - i think my level of detail (by using values) is ... acceptable.
I just need to start drawing figures, and learn how to get proportions right.

Generally, I feel proportions and memorizing anatomy will be my hardest issue, since by mimicking values
I've learned how to draw some basic elements and features (never tested to do it from imagination though...)

So let's say i'm drawing silhouettes and mannequin figures.
- When should I start adding details? and after that
- When should I start applying values?

 

Postby nunbul » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:56 am

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Hey there, after more than a year, I've decided to come back post my stupid stuff. This is all I have btw, no other sketches, no practice stuff - just these "completed" images.
Inbetween these months I do absolutely nothing but complaining about my skills not being high enough. I had/have some serious emotional issues and I can't focus on practicing...
I believe I'm actually garbage and while I'm creating something, I can't easily figure out what's wrong and what's good.

Another thing is that every piece takes so much freaking time - from 10 hours to 3+ days for a result that is not even close to being good, while others spend 2-6 hours max for a
perfectly executed and realistic rendered illustration that is ready for commercial use. Even 20min speedpaintings will always look better than my 3day stuff. Sometimes I think it's
that I use the wrong brushes, or because I use a Wacom Bamboo and I can't "aim" directly what I want to do (I can do a big straight line traditionally but not digitally).
Do you think an Intuos Pro or even a Cintiq would increase my workflow?

July 2015 - Potrayed a friend as a viking, 1:1 reference for the face:
http://pre00.deviantart.net/1cf7/th/pre ... 93ol5q.jpg

September 2015 - Potrayed a friend as a crazy surgeon, 1:1 reference for the face:
http://pre04.deviantart.net/3042/th/pre ... 9aulc5.jpg

October 2015 - Jazza's Grimataur contest, reference for the pose & anatomy (didn't get a single mention)
http://pre01.deviantart.net/e3ae/th/pre ... 9erf01.png

April 2016 - Daisy Ridley portrat: 1:1 reference, separate colouring:
http://pre11.deviantart.net/a0cc/th/pre ... a0fn6w.jpg

August 2016 - A friend's fantasy character called Henry: September 2016: various references, no 1:1 - 2 versions
a) http://i.imgur.com/XIIQX12.png - he didn't like the first one so I had to change some things
b) http://pre10.deviantart.net/4dd8/th/pre ... agamde.png

Feel free to give your worst-best constructive criticism. Roast my work as much as possible.

 

Postby z4m97 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:20 pm

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man, those paintings look nice...

 

Postby nunbul » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:13 pm

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z4m97 wrote:man, those paintings look nice...


nah dude, YOURS are nice, mine are 'meh', especially when they take 3 days each LOL

 

Postby z4m97 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:14 pm

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nunbul wrote:
z4m97 wrote:man, those paintings look nice...


nah dude, YOURS are nice, mine are 'meh', especially when they take 3 days each LOL

nah... it takes me 3 hours to pick a color ...

you have quite a good eye for it :D

 

Postby nunbul » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:07 pm

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New art! I've been working on this for the past 2 WEEKS... AND I LOVED IT!

Full res: http://nunbul.deviantart.com/art/Fiery- ... -637856388

It's Lina from DOTA2, my very first fanart (and don't tell me that other thing I have is fanart, because it's pure crap hehe) and my very first serious rendering.
You can also take a deep look at my post in [Critique This!] about the 2-week proccess and
what did I possibly do wrong.

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